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The documented investigation of a woman's abduction aboard a UFO.

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Such things that the dreams are made of and that's probably the problem then.

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When someone looks at this they go okay, is it a novel?

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But it really is.

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No it isn't.

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I must admit when I first heard about the case I had misgivings about even getting involved

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with it.

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Let's set up the background first Raymond Fowler.

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Your involvement with the world of UFOs.

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Yes I'm presently serving as director of investigations for an international group

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called UFO Nefert which hails from Sageen, Texas right in their own backyards.

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You know it's not like from Sageen though.

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No I'm from New England, one of Massachusetts.

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I've been involved in UFO research for a number of years.

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My interest goes back to 1947.

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I served as an early warning coordinator for the United States Air Force sponsored University

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of Colorado project in 1966-67 at the time frame.

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So I've been with it a long time and this particular case is very bizarre as compared

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to some of the other types of work I've done in the UFO field.

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What initially sparked your interest in the UFO field anyway?

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And did you go into this as a point of curiosity, an adversary position?

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Were you out hoping they were there or proving that they really weren't?

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Well I must admit I was probably only about 15 years old when Kenneth Arnold sighted these

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flying objects over at Malphe, New Washington in 1947, June 24th, 1947 and I began collecting

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news clips thinking that they were experimental aircraft because I was interested in that

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kid interest stuff.

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When I joined the United States Air Force and become involved in the National Security

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Agency I came across people in reports that indicated that the United States Air Force

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was considering UFOs to be a very serious business.

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I took it upon myself when I was discharged from the United States Air Force to join the

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National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena as an associate member just to

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keep abreast of what was going on in the world of UFOs.

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But my interest got to the point where I began to conduct investigations myself and sending

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unsolicited reports to the Air Force and NCAP and before you know it I got involved on a

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job training program with NCAP as an investigator and things sort of snowballed and now they

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say I'm a UFO expert and it was many years ago.

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Let's come up to date now then and this case, how did you first get involved in this?

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I reside in the state of Massachusetts and the Massachusetts group got involved with

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the case through Dr. J. Allen Heineck Center for UFO Study.

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My first impulse was not to get involved, it was very, very bizarre.

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However the Massachusetts State Director indicated to me that the woman seemed to be all there

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and that it was a very interesting case so I became a member of a five man team consisting

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of a aerospace engineer, a solar physicist, a communications specialist, an electrical

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engineer myself.

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We conducted a very rigid character reference check on the family.

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Two extensive lie detector tests were given to two of the primary witnesses.

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The abductee was given a psychiatric examination not only to assure us that she was not a psychotic

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but to assure her because she, I mean, much of this came out under hypnosis and she couldn't

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believe that such a thing could have happened to her and thought that she was actually losing

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her mind and wanted to be reassured and seek medical attention and this was something wrong

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with her but I came to the conclusion that from these various tests that these people

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were telling the truth as they knew it to be and they were honest and what intrigues

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me is that we have about 200 cases like this on record and there are subtle similarities

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which exist in these cases which come from all over the world which make me feel that

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the close encounter of the third kind type G as we call it are real bona fide experiences.

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Parent stimulus seems to be extra threshold.

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It might be much more complex than that.

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However, all we can do at the present time is to document cases like this and just wonder

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what it's all about.

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The situation of hypnosis, let's kind of go into the incident with the woman because

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was hypnosis used because she either was leery of what she consciously thought happened

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or she couldn't recall everything that happened or was this just an investigative tool on

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your part?

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This is an investigative tool.

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You'll find that most close encounters of the third kind type G UFO experience, seeing

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a UFO and its occupants at very close range.

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But missing time is a time period which they kind of come for afterwards.

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In the case of the Andreessen affair, let's go back to the date that happened.

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January 25th, 1967, about 6.35 p.m. Betty and her seven children and two parents were

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visiting to help her care for the children because her husband was in the hospital.

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They were at their home in South Ashburn in Massachusetts.

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The children and their parents were in the living room.

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The lights in the house went out.

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Momentarily, a bright orange flash came through the kitchen window which will look to feel

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and begin pulsating.

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The children became very frightened.

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She shoot them into the living room.

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The father came running out and looked out the window, the back window to see where the

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light was coming from.

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He described in his own way some small childlike beings that looked like kids dressed up in

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strange costumes coming toward the house.

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All he remembers after that is somehow they got in the house.

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The rest of the family went into, for want of a better description, suspended animation

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which really shook up Betty.

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She wanted to be assured that her family was alright and they left the younger daughter

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who was 11 years old at the time out of this state as it were.

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She lived under hypnosis a very complimentary experience as it were from her standpoint

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talking using the vocabulary in the description of 11 year olds.

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You said they left.

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You mean the appeal to the beings?

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I'm worried about my family.

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They established, she heard voices in her head.

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The mouth didn't move.

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We'll probably be seeing some of the visuals later on.

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She described him as three to four foot high with a large pear shake head wrapped around

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her eyes, small nose mouth and the mouth was almost like scot tissue.

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Just to go very briefly through what happened, it's a very complex and detailed thing indeed.

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But up to this point though, you have one other family member corroborating it.

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There are three now.

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But that's about all it could be remembered.

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And it seemed like a bad dream to Becky.

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They couldn't believe something like this happened.

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They discussed it over the years and when Dr. J. Allen Heineck through I think an associate

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in press article indicated that he would like to hear from people who had UFO experiences.

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They weren't even sure this was a UFO experience at the time.

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They sort of keep this to themselves for a while.

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Yes, they kept it to themselves for a long time.

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But getting back to the experience, what happened was they convinced her through mind control

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to follow them.

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She was brought out to the backyard, taken aboard a small 20, 25 foot diameter craft,

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taken apparently to a larger craft and subjected to a number of physical, it was seen to be

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physical examinations and then was put in a container filled with liquid.

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And she was, tubes came into her mouth and her nose allowing her to breathe.

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And while she was in this glass chair, Phil would look with a apparently tuck or some

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place.

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Oh, yeah, that is this picture here, right?

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That's right.

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That's the time to take a look at that.

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I'll give you a picture of this from someone.

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And we can see what the others are talking about.

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Bear in mind we're dealing with a woman that has only 10 years of formal education and

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married the boy next door and had seven children one after the other.

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She really didn't know what UFOs were all about.

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Now these are her drawings.

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Those are her drawings.

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She's a non-amateur artist and she has a remarkable talent to remember things in detail.

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Of course, under hypnosis she relived this experience which we were just describing.

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When they took her out of that particular chair, they floated her down a black track

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which ran between the chairs.

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If you'd like to show that, there are eight chairs there, four on each side, and she was

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subjected to several of these chairs.

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And then she was floated down the middle of these chairs, down a black track, and a door

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just appeared.

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This is the typical thing that was happening in there.

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And they were down a very, very dark tunnel which seemed to be fumed out of solid rock

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and emerged on the other side into a very, very large place where she underwent some

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very strange experiences and was brought back and went through the various things that she

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had gone through before she had entered this alien realm, as it were, and was returned

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to the house.

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When she returned to the house, the two aliens, whatever we might call them, brought two

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glowing balls with them.

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And when they entered the kitchen area, one of them went up to the father who was still

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at the window and motionless, really, and they held the ball in front of him and he

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shuffled a buyer under hypnosis.

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She's screaming for her father.

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And the father just ignores her, walks right back, shuffles right at the buyer into the

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living room.

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And every member of the family was taken to bed in this sort of state, unaware of her

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yelling at them so hard and then she was put to bed and it was the next morning.

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It's very typical of other cases we have on fire.

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What was the time period involved, too?

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We feel it took place between 6.35 and perhaps 11 o'clock in the evening.

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The younger daughter under hypnosis noticed a clock was read 6.35 and Betty, when she

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was returned to the house, noticed a clock reading 10.40.

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It's interesting, you can go back to January 25th, 1967, as a reliving this, and you can

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ask questions like how the weather was, how much snow was there on the ground, what was

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the temperature, what was on TV, the power blackout and things like that.

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And we went back and checked local weather records, power company records, and many of

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the things, in fact, all of the things they described that happened on that day could

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be checked.

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A lot of these things were indicated at least through hypnosis that we're reliving that

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particular day.

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Let's take our break and get it out of the way.

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We'll be back in two minutes.

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The engineer that was taking the thoughts from the lady and trying to put them together

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and what that craft might really look like.

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Could you hit on that again?

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I want to be investigating team as aerospace engineers and manager at the Arathiol company.

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It holds a very good position there, very skilled individual.

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And he was playing the devil's advocate as we all were, trying to find something in this

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story that would indicate that it really didn't happen.

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We were being very objective about this.

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He actually described each compartment, each room that she entered, the way she entered,

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and the general size of the room, the shape, and so forth.

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And he came out with a lot of pieces of a picture puzzle and was able to put them together

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into a very logical, coherent, circular craft just as she had described it.

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One of his sketches are in the book, a number of sketches he was able to do.

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Speaking of sketches, one of the unique things about the book, The Andrius in Affair, is

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that she is an amateur artist, but a very excellent amateur artist, and she was given

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a post-synoptic suggestion to remember in detail the various things that she saw.

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And she has given us in the book, in the report, which brought 528 pages long, three volumes,

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a series of drawings, giving a sort of a chronicle survey, as it were, of her trip through the

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They're very, very detailed.

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I wonder how someone with a 10th grade education could ever concoct something like that on

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a roll, and they were just too detailed.

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Let's look at this, the last picture that we have of one of the little people.

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One thing about this, I wonder if Stephen and Spielberg got a copy of this or something,

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because obviously, we're using the term close encounters as a third kind, and the little

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fellow here, or do we know what they were?

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Were they it?

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It was a male-female situation, but it looks like the characters were in the film.

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It definitely would be.

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Dr. J. L. Heineck was technical director for the film, and much of the material that went

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into the film was drawn from cases like the Injuries and Affairs, and they came up with

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a composite of what people have described as aliens.

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The term close encounter, the third kind, for example, was coined by Heineck many years

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ago, and was used in the film.

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In any areas of research, other people that have had somewhat similar experiences, is

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there any thread of similarity, though, as far as description of beings that they've

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seen, description of spacecraft?

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Yes.

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In fact, the United States Air Force Academy text that was being used at the Air Force

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Academy back in 1968 indicates the most commonly reported alien is just about what ends Mrs.

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Andreessen described, three to four foot high, large head, wrap around eyes, slit her

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mouth, the telepathic communication.

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We had a case involving an Air Force master's sergeant getting away from the housewife type

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of sighting that belongs to the Air Force's Human Reliability Program.

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This group consists of a very select group of people in the United States Air Force

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that have passed psychiatric exams and so forth, so the cream of the crop of the Air

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He went outside of Harlem in the Air Force base to watch a media shower on his way home

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from a night shift, and he had an experience very similar to Betty Andreessen's experience.

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The same type of occupants, the fact that they didn't walk, they floated, and an abduction

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experience being put on a similar examination table given a physical examination.

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There are a number of people from various walks of life that are about 200 reports that

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we have on file that's under FIUFO studies that involve close and conscious of the third

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kind type G where people report on board experiences, and many of the similarities which exist

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between these reports are very subtle.

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In some cases, they've never been published before, and this serves as a check from our

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point of view on the apparent.

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I say apparent because we don't approve validity that these cases have a common stimulus, which

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seems on the surface to be extraterrestrial, but you can't prove that.

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It might be more complex than that.

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The best we can do is to take the tools of science which we do have with lack of physical

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evidence in the case of the Andreessen affair and apply them just like a criminologist would

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do in dealing with a criminal.

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Again, the background checks, the lie detector tests, the hypnotic regression, the psychiatric

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exam, and as many tools as we can apply to cases like this, which at least have convinced

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us that the experience is real, and that the people believe that the experience is real

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and that they've actually experienced this, and that they seem to be honest, industrious,

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very credible people who describe something totally incredible and outside of a rational

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world.

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By virtue of doing investigations that put you, Alexia, in an adversary position going

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in and trying to maintain your objectivity, but personally, we believe, obviously you

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believe that she believes this happened.

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That's right.

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But do you believe it really happened?

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I can't prove it, but I just have a very, very strong feeling based upon the evidence,

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not the proof, but the evidence that has been accumulated from, as I say, about 200 cases

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involving people from various walks of life, from other countries, describe something very,

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very similar to what the Andreessen family experienced.

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It's very hard for me not to take such cases into account.

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Then you have a host of other type of UFO sightings.

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For example, you have the case where someone sees a UFO similar to what Mrs. Andreessen

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saw, which leaves physical indentations behind in the ground, which penetrometers indicate

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maybe you had a ton or two from that object sitting in the ground, or traces, electromagnetic

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effects.

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No hypnosis needed.

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These people see this object.

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There are effects left behind.

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An experienced like the Andreessen family is just a step further.

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She not only saw the craft, the occupants, but she was brought aboard.

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There's a similarity, a similar thread that runs through all kinds of UFO reports other

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than the close and conscious of the third kind.

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Let me take a step further and get to the last break out of the way, fortunately, and

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then we'll be back.

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Do you personally believe they're there?

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I believe after competent investigation that although 80% can be explained away in terms

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of natural phenomena or man-made objects, and a few hoaxes, ultimately speaking, that

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there exists a residue of about 20%, which remain unexplained after investigating.

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That's a problem, because by the nature of the beast, the UFO is really documented that

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a lot of people saw it, but it's not really documented that it is, because here's a big

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piece of it.

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There are cases on file, for example, that we have that involve close and conscious of

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the second kind, which do involve physical traces, physical traces which in no way could

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have been made by the witnesses involved.

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They say you can take an instrument like a penetrometer and we find that whatever sat

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there weighed several tons and whatever made the bait area in the ground, you would have

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to have some kind of a microwave generator to do something like this.

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Logically, there's got to be live somewhere else, but would it be so much easier all of

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us if one of these would kind of walk up in the middle of the astrodome and go, hi there,

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well, we decided to talk to everybody?

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We're putting it in reverse, I think that NASA, looking at a report I'd seen that NASA

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had written a long time ago, that it would be a very, very long process that they would

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go through, they would discover life and it would be a very long conditioning process,

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but before they would actually really become part of the experience over its scale.

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It's so logical too if you see what our lifestyle is like, right?

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Time has gotten away from us.

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Remember it, it should be somewhere near you, the Andreas and the Fair.

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Have a good day, join us tomorrow.

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Raymond, thank you for your time.

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Thank you very much.

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You're having us.